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Is this game any good? Is it worth investing money in ... as it does seem to be expensive.

Goodman

NO! The old 3.5 rules and metal mini's were absolutely beautiful and fun to play and have all been discontinued. The new game is pre painted plastics and simple rules. You are better off playing AT43 then the current confrontation IMO.

Yeah the old 3.5 confrontation rules was the best game I have ever played, although it was full of meta rules thats what made it fun imo, a game with 11 modles would take as long to play a regular game of 40k and the old metal minis were the best, now they are made from rubbery plastic and the rules are crap from what I hear, some corporation bought them out and ruined the game, its sad when I think about it.

Wow, that's the most poorly informed statement about C4 I've ever seen.

C4 was produced before the new corporation bought Rackham and made it into Rackham Entertainment(which happened last year in October, C4 came out almost a year before that even happened). Also, it's not "rubbery plastic". Yes, it's a softer plastic than GW uses, but it's a harder plastic than Wizkids used. The C4 rules aren't crap, either. It's the same rules used for AT-43, plus a magic/prayer system and some additional rules to better represent fantasy elements and to make melee more effective.

If you haven't tried C4, you really should. It's a different system than C3/3.5, but it's a faster, more efficient, clearer system than previously(much of that to do with how good Aaron Gilbraith is at translations).

As for why it's plastic and not metal now, that was a decision Jean Bey(founder of Rackham) came to because of the things you can do in plastic(like translucent wings on the Chimera and the upcoming Gargoyles) that you can't do in metal(interesting fact: the plastic models use the EXACT SAME molds as the old metals). Not that there's anything preventing people from using the old metals if they own them or can find them.

The Undead look amazing, BTW, and the army is brutal(I got to watch Aaron fight Martin Terrier[Rackham's Community Manager] with them at GenCon).

Probably all the vitriol you've heard about C4 come from those people who feel betrayed somehow about the transition from metal to plastic.

Tyson, if you want to get involved with Confrontation, wait until October when the Lion and Wolf Army Boxes are released. Just like AT-43, they're full 2000 point armies for $70.

Good to know

The biggest thing for me was I loved the old system and being a painter/modele, them going to pre-painted plastic is what disenfranchised me the most as I loved painting their stuff.

I think the game is a pile of crap, take it for what its worth, 3.5 was good it was all the rules that made it fun, I dont care for at-43 all that much and I do not like at-43 modles iether "in my opinion" since we are entitled to give our opinions,and yes I think it is rubbery crappy plastic, I love to modle and paint and if I dont like the modles the game is much less apealing on top of that the new rules are very un atractive to say the least, they lost alot of detail when they went to the new rubbery plastic, even if they were using the old molds. I have seen the modles and I own 3 armies of the metal ones there is no way I am buying the new ones compared to the old ones, and the entire play system changing sucks, in my most humble opinion of course , weather or not the changing of the company happened before or after the new system, wich bye the way I heard differently but they waited to announce it and make it public until after the new game was released. If it was such a good game then why would every person I know who played it with the 3.5 rules alot, stop playing it all together?

You're entitled to your own opinion, never said you weren't.

But your opinion on the rules was based on hearsay, not experience(at least the way your post read), and blaming a company that had nothing to do with the changes smacks of not knowing what you're talking about(whatever you heard about the take over is wrong).

I felt the same way before I actually tried C4 for myself and talking to Jean Bey in person at GenCon gave me a nice amount of insight into the decision and how it's a defensible position.

Of course, you feel differently, so you won't care when the company actually DOES ruin the game(and the entirety of Rackham) next year.

Well to be honest I could care less about jean bey or when and when not the actual takeover happened or if the old owner ruined the game or the new corporation did all I know is no one around here plays it anymore, and the models are a disappointment now and after trying it out I hated, and have 3 armies of metal figs from them that I wont get rid of because they are so nice but will probably never use in a game, but if you feel passionate about it preach on brother.